Man. Paints. Lyft. Mission District.
A man paints a sign for Lyft in the Mission District at one of the company's facilities. (Photo by Lydia Chávez / Mission Local)


As independent contractors, rideshare drivers are unable to bargain as a union for better wages and work conditions with the companies they work for. It’s that right that drivers across the state will strike for on Wednesday.

“Drivers know what they’re getting paid per mile, but the companies can change it at an instant, and the drivers have no say,” said organizer Brian Dolber, also the co-editor of “The Gig Economy: Workers and Media in the Age of Convergence.” “So, that’s why we need a union, so we can make sure that drivers have a say in their pay.”

So, too, for work conditions, he and other organizers added.

The rally, planned for 1 to 2:30 p.m. on Wednesday outside the Uber headquarters at 1725 Third St., is hosted by Rideshare Drivers United, an association of some 20,000 drivers across the state with branches in San Francisco, Los Angeles and San Diego. There are also plans for strikes in Las Vegas, Denver, Austin, Baltimore, Boston, Cleveland and Pittsburgh, the organization said.

The strike is planned for 24 hours, beginning Tuesday night at midnight; organizers also ask that passengers boycott the companies through Wednesday. Organizers phone-banked members about the strike, and Dolber said it has received overwhelming support.

Drivers will advocate for the Protecting the Right to Organize Act, better known as the PRO Act, which would ultimately allow them to unionize with recognition from Uber and Lyft. Organizers hope that striking will draw attention to the cause and pressure Congress to pass the legislation, which is currently held up in the Senate with a filibuster.

Beyond the PRO Act advocacy, drivers are protesting against their working conditions and the passage of Proposition 22, the legislation written and lobbied for by gig-work giants that passed last November, codifying rideshare drivers and delivery workers as independent contractors.

No other strikes are currently planned, but Rideshare Drivers United is continuing to organize drivers and build relationships with drivers in cities outside the state, Dolber said. The plan, he added, is to continue the fight, which may lead to more strikes down the road.

Pay, Expenses and Work Conditions

At the forefront of concerns are the wages earned by drivers compared to the expenses they pay. How much a driver makes is unclear, and figures given vary wildly.

In April, Uber said drivers were paid a median of $25.28 an hour in San Francisco, before tips or bonuses, for completing quests. Last week, Uber told Mission Local that drivers made median earnings of $34 per hour and $46 per hour when including the incentives.

Rideshare Drivers United points to a decrease in rates, such as Uber’s dropping the mileage rate from 68 cents to 42 cents for trips starting from San Francisco International Airport, and dropping its mileage rate from 65 cents to 32 cents for trips starting at Los Angeles International Airport.

The association also points to a large-scale study in San Francisco, published last May, that concluded that once expenses and unpaid work time is accounted for, a substantial portion of the rideshare and delivery workforce in San Francisco made less than $15.59 an hour, the minimum wage at the time of the study. It was conducted by the UC Santa Cruz Institute for Social Transformation before the pandemic with ridesharing and delivery workers in San Francisco.

In an unscientific sampling of 20 rides Mission Local booked last week, most drivers said they totalled around $25 to $35 an hour before expenses, give or take a few dollars. Most of those interviewed who worked as a rideshare driver before the pandemic said they were earning around the same amount, with a few saying they earned more, and a few saying they earned less.

What drivers do agree on is that their expenses are costly. Rising gas prices mean many drivers daily are paying around $50 in gas, and some up to $65, drivers told Mission Local. That’s not accounting for vehicles’ wear and tear; depreciation adds up to 26 cents per mile using the IRS mileage rate (a total of 56 cents per mile).

Also, drivers took issue with how Uber calculates active time driving to then come up with its per-hour figure.

For example, when counting “active time,” the application excludes time spent without a ride or a ride request. Some drivers also turn their applications off when they circle back to San Francisco after being sent far away, to avoid being kept in other cities.

Ibrahim Diallo, an Uber driver and a member of Rideshare Drivers United, said his application showed he earned $1,580 before expenses in a recent week, over about 39 hours online — about $40 an hour. However, Diallo said, he worked 10 to 15 hours longer than the application reflected.

Moreover, workers aren’t paid for time spent waiting for their next ride, said Hashid Kasama, a gig worker and volunteer organizer who helped conduct outreach for the strike.

Not getting paid for wiping down and maintaining a vehicle is like “a chef at a restaurant cooking meals, and when customers leave … you’re not getting paid for idle time in between customers, like wiping down the tables,” Kasama said. “That’s what it’s like being a gig worker or [doing] any app-based type of work.”

There’s also Mission Local’s unscientific sampling, which found that, of the 20 rides we booked, drivers pocketed an average of just 52 percent of the fare, whereas the rideshare companies have touted that their bite of the pie is only about 25 percent.

Then, there are the work conditions that drivers have no control over: Uber took away drivers’ ability to add their own fare multiplier in California; Uber hides trip details for the next ride if a driver declines five of the last 10 rides; Uber tells drivers that riders’ fares are lower than they are; Lyft doesn’t show drivers a fee breakdown per ride beyond what drivers make; many drivers report that driver support is extremely lackluster.

It’s this, and that, and that, and drivers don’t necessarily agree on what’s right or wrong  — but what drivers are united in, in their strike, is that if they could unionize, they could at least bargain for their own conditions.

Healthcare Through Proposition 22

The strike is also a protest against Proposition 22, which — beyond codifying rideshare drivers’ statuses as independent contractors — drivers say did little for their healthcare, despite the companies’ widely promoting the proposition’s healthcare stipend.

The stipend covers 82 percent of the average Covered California premium each month for those who drive an average of 25 hours a week in a quarter; those averaging 15 to 24 hours per week in a calendar quarter receive 41 percent of that premium. However, this only counts “engaged” time — that is, time with a customer in the car — so the amount workers must drive to qualify is longer than it sounds.

Lyft told Mission Local that drivers can receive up to $4,800 in healthcare payments per year. Also according to Lyft, 77 percent of the company’s drivers already have health coverage from other full-time employment.

Although it is hard to find drivers who are enthusiastic about the benefits, rideshare companies can. 

“The flexibility and higher earnings that Prop 22 provided are incredibly valuable to me, and hundreds of thousands of drivers like me,” wrote Jimmy Strano, a Bay Area rideshare driver, in a statement forwarded to Mission Local by Geoff Vetter, a public affairs representative with the coalition around Proposition 22. 

However, health stipend opportunities have been called into question by rideshare and delivery drivers.

It’s inaccessible to drivers who receive insurance from family members or through MediCal or MediCare. Also, drivers must submit proof of their health insurance within a certain time frame to qualify, but a study performed by Tulchin Research and commissioned by SEIU showed that just 79 percent of drivers were unaware (67 percent) or unsure (12 percent) of the requirement.

The April study concluded that 86 percent of 500 surveyed rideshare and delivery drivers in California were likely ineligible for the stipend “largely due to unilateral and non-statutory decisions by gig companies.” About two-thirds of drivers reported not being given enough information about how to apply, while three-fifths reported they weren’t given adequate information about which drivers are eligible.

“Prop. 22 was a lie, and everyone was told that we were going to have all of this flexibility and these medical benefits, and we want to raise awareness about the fact that the public was lied to,” said Erica Mighatto, a representative board member for the San Francisco chapter of Rideshare Drivers United.

Drivers are also protesting Proposition 22 because drivers have seen their agency reduced since its passage — from Uber’s previously mentioned removal of drivers’ fare multiplier, to the companies making it so that drivers can’t see where their next ride goes if they decline five of the past 10 rides.

The PRO Act

The PRO Act, now in Congress, uses the same test for determining whether a worker is an independent contractor or employee as the test codified in Assembly Bill 5, but this is specifically for the purposes of collective bargaining, said Ken Jacobs, chair of the UC Berkeley Labor Center.

Therefore, he said, it would not affect workers’ status for the purpose of other federal laws, such as taxes or minimum wage.

The act, said Jacobs, creates a system in which workers have the democratic right to choose if they want a union in their workplace and then bargain collectively with their employers. That new system would recognize this as a right and a decision of workers rather than employers. 

Opponents such as the App-Based Work Alliance, which includes the two ridesharing companies, say the test provision in the PRO Act “would end flexible and independent earning opportunities for millions of app-based workers overnight and wreak havoc on the economy by forcing these workers into an employment model.”

But that’s not accurate, according to Jacobs.

“I think it’s sort of silly,” he said of the argument that the Pro ACT would remove drivers’ flexibility. “The PRO Act is focused on labor law, and so the focus on rideshare drivers or on gig workers, particularly, is on the right for workers to bargain collectively.”

He added that flexibility is one of the things that a union could bargain over. Also, he said, the current system for union recognition is heavily stacked against workers.

“The majority of workers can want a union, but we have a legal framework that makes it very difficult for them to achieve it,” he said.

The PRO Act is what John Logan, director of Labor and Employment Studies at San Francisco State University, calls “a sprawling piece of legislation that captures many provisions labor advocates have pushed for for decades.”

It would also be the most significant labor reform law passed since the National Labor Relations Act of 1935. However, due to the filibuster, Logan said, the odds of its passing are very low.

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David Mamaril Horowitz

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  1. I usually really enjoy reading Mission Local and I’m really glad that you’re reporting this strike as I haven’t seen it anywhere else. But it seems like this piece was written in 20 min and not edited at all. There are several repetitive paragraphs, repeated statements, broken sentences. Please do a review of this

    1. Thank you for this. It was edited, but I forgot to remove a couple of lines while editing the final draft in WordPress. I believe I’ve fixed the issues. Please feel free to let me know if I missed anything else. I appreciate your reading us.

      Best,
      David

      1. “…from Uber’s previously mentioned removal of drivers’ fair multiplier, to the companies making it so that drivers… ”

        To this point, wrong ‘fair’.

  2. When you use something in a manner it was NOT DESIGNED for you run into problems. Rideshare currently works fine for drivers that use it as a gig (side job) to supplement their income. Using it as your full time job (major source of income) does not work well because you would have to work long hard hours week after week just to eke out a living. Find a full time job with employee benefits and use rideshare to supplement your income and you will do just fine.

    1. Yea but the idea is to work for yourself, which is what most people do the apps for to fire your boss, your missing the point. I have 2 businesses now and still do uber part time but i wouldn’t of gotten there if it wasn’t for UBER. For uber eats they pay what they want i have seen $2 for a food order and pickup from walmart always changes at first its a see rate of $20 now i seen $6. They pay what they want

    2. I somewhat agree with you, but it’s more than just gig vs full time. I believe there’s a sense of confusion because people want to work for themselves, but don’t want to be entrepreneurs. Many of the complaints I’ve seen are about benefits, being paid for down-time, and the hourly wage. All of those are privileges afforded to employees, not entrepreneurs. The issue I have with rideshare companies (as a 7-year driver) is their ability to change the rates, payout percentages, and bonus structures at-will, coupled with the fact that drivers have no control over the number of rides or distance of trips they are assigned. (It’s the coupling thats important.) The rideshare company has 100% control of our earnings in that regard. If we truly are independent contractors, we should have more control of how much we are “allowed” to make, the “contract” we are agreeing to (i.e. fluctuations in fare calculations), and how we structure our businesses.

  3. How do you know the INDIVIDUAl was a man pairing the Lyft sign . We need to stop using gendered terms. Enough is enough .

    I stand with Lyft and Uber . They should get 100% of the fare . San Francisco government should take them over just like they need to take PG&E

    1. Ricardo Ruiz. Really? SF government can take them over, so they can be as dysfunctional as Muni or the Homeless Industrial Complex? SF Government is inept and corrupt to the core! Sure, hire Mohammad Nuru or Harlan Kelly to fix thing up…..

  4. Acá en Tampa se paga mucho menos con relación a otros estados no sé cómo me puedo contactar o con quien para poder hablar

  5. Hi.. As i am a driver for a couple years. I love driving. At the same time, rhe things we put up with and the pay and bonuses are not up to my expectations. I agree we should get paid to wait and clean as that takes out of our time to make money. Also we should have some type of BETTER program for our vehicle maintenance. Im currently out of work because i need simple work done on my car that i cant afford but would if i had a supporting company that maintains employees (my car). How can i keep up with this story? This is the first i read about it and love to be involved or kept informed.

  6. Yes.end whe all know tha they can fiks this in les than 10min.and all hapy again.(10 min)and all drivers will be back to work.but (NO) they make gud money.less drivers less work (more mess)more mony.shame shame.

  7. What is wrong with requiring drivers to show proof of insurance before they get a stipend? Without having to show proof what is to stop a driver from pocketing the stipend and then declining to get insurance coverage?

    1. Hello Grundle,

      Thank you for commenting this. I’m not saying it’s necessarily wrong to require proof. What I *meant* to add in that sentence was that the requirement prevents many drivers from signing up, simply because they aren’t aware of the requirement. I slipped up there. I’ve updated the article to clarify it.

      Kindly,
      David

  8. As a driver I volunteered for this job. If for some reason I don’t like the opportunity provided by the rideshare company I have always felt that I should turn off the app. I really get tired of all the complaining, please don’t invite the union or any other outside assistance, we will then answer to them and be paying them a fee. Again, if you don’t like the product, turn your phone off!

    1. I been driving p/t for uber for over 5 years…I do have a f/t job with all the the benefits that come with it…driving 26/28 hours for uber on weekends I average $ 1100.00 per week after bonuses & all that & I’m ok with it …that’s over $ 50 k per year !!!.I’m keeping track of the miles I put on my 2015 Toyota prius…I average $ 1.35 per mile …I put 800 to 900 miles on my car for every $ 1100.00 I make every week..
      In the next 2 years I’ll be putting 100K miles on my car making over $ 100k !!
      I’m ok with..tear & wear ?? Vehicles are like paper cups DISPOSABLE !!!
      I’m sure in 2 years I can buy another vehicle & sell the one I have with 160 k miles for half of what I paid….THIS IS A GIG JOB …NEVER INTENDED TO BE A FULL TIME JOB !!!
      IF YOU DON’T LIKE JUST GO SOMEWHERE ELSE !!!..The way things are right now might not work for some of you but it works just fine for MOST OF US !!…you ALL knew what you were getting into when you signed up to drive….You’re ARE NOT being for to drive !!!..Just got out there & get a job where you can get ALL the benefits YOU WANT !!!..HAVE A GREAT DAY !

      1. I totally agree with you. I have been an Uber driver full time for past 5 years. An as an Independent contractor on Schedule C with mileage and other expenses legitimate deductions I pay zero Federal and State taxes, and only social security taxes of the net income. Most rideshare drivers who grumble are clueless as an Independent contractor we get to take home all the week earnings, while if an employee your withholding taxes weekly will definitely reduce your weekly earnings tremendously! So stop complaining and get a different gig if you don’t like Independent contractor gig, Period!!

  9. No estoy de acuerdo, si usted quiere ganar más dinero consiga otro trabajo, a usted no lo están obligando a trabajar en uber o lift. Quieren hacer lo mismo que hicieron en California, pero a los driver no les fue bien. Yo en uber gano hasta el triple de lo que yo ganaba en mi otro trabajo. Hay demasiado driver, uber y lift deberían suspender a varios.

  10. When are you going to cover georgia lyft drivers. I can verify we only get 35-40% of what the rider pays. The other day my daughter took a lyft and told me lyft charged her 10.93 to go a mile. The driver received 3.75. She saw it herself!!

  11. This is a shameful fluf piece for this illogical organization. I have been a driver for more than three years, completed more than 2600 lyft rides and more than 1100 uber rides and this includes taking almost a year off from May 2020 to April 2021.

    The concept of being an independent contractor is that I work independently as a contractor for a set amount. I’m not looking to pool resources or agreements with other drivers. I’m looking to have my freedoms as a contractor and small business owner. I’m not looking to pay dues to a unionized group of folks I don’t agree with.

    These folks need to go and get a regular job if they dont want to be 1199 independent contractors. They signed up for this and are now complaining about what they signed up for and agreed to.

    1. I dont want to be enslaved by more regulations and a union. If the government does get involved it should do so by incentivizing more competition.

    2. I completely agree! They all knew what they were getting in to. If you don’t like it, MOVE ON. You’re adults that can make decisions right? Same goes with all the whining about how expensive it is to live here in San Francisco… we all chose to live here. If you can’t afford it , MOVE!

  12. I drive on the Lyft platform and they’ve been downright shady. They took away most of the daily bonuses. We don’t get paid while we wait around for rides. The only way to contact support is by going offline and texting them. The customer support team is usually rude about stuff. Lyft also book these trips where the rider has 2 stops. In my opinion, that 1st stop should have a time limit. I spent about 30 mins waiting on a girl at a beauty supply store. If I opt to cancel the ride then I wont get paid. As drivers we also pay for mistakes that the company makes. For instance, they routed me to the wrong address and declined my no show fee. Lyft also find way to cheat us out of getting bonuses while active on the road.

  13. This article also didn’t mention the $2500 deductible a driver must pay if an accident occurs while on the app nor the constant loss of income from refusing to transport riders without masks once the driver has driven the whole way there (at drivers expense). If this mask mandate is to be enforced, a cancelation fee does not come close to covering the time and expense of getting there just to cancel.

  14. As an Uber driver in Florida, I average about $20 an hour. I have no clue what I will be paid on any given trip until its over.
    Personally, I want to be paid from the moment I accept a ride for time and miles since too often I may drive 10 miles just to discover that my fare is going 1 mile to the supermarket and I make $3 for a 25 minute, 11 mile ride to nowhere.

  15. This rideshare companies had spent millions of dollars just to passed Proposition 22 but when it comes to drivers welfare especially on the earnings are very skeptical to give a fair consideration. It’s time to fight back and let our voices heard!

  16. As an Uber and Lyft customer, these companies are thieves. I live in the Bronx. Going to long island is never a problem. However, going back to the Bronx is a big issue. One Lyft driver left me stranded in Long Island because “she just got off work and going to the Bronx was too far”…i.e. the trip/salary wasn’t worth her time. 2 Uber drivers told me If I knew you were going to the Bronx, I would not have picked up this fare.” At one point I was using Uber every day so, I stopped tipping. About a week later, Uber would not send a car at all. So, I guess that means tips are “mandatory”? I’m resolved to getting my own car. They lost a customer.

  17. I am a Lyft driver fulltime, the pay is getting worst, we be burned for our payments, I had a ride that went completely across Philadelphia, they charge the rider $34, and they paid me $13.90, what give them the right to retain such large profits, when all they should be taking is a platform fee!? We also as driver need to know riders destinations when the ride is requested, no fair , we only find out once we’ve arrived and the person get in and swiped pickup, like wtf

    1. ALWAYS CALL AND TEXT THE CUSTOMER BEFORE PICKING THEM UP!!!!!!
      you should never pick up a passenger without knowing where they are going
      If they don’t answer then cancel the trip

  18. Not only that but they do not pay what they state for serge price. I’ve called still nothing. In fact I have some missing as well as under paid. We are forced to give ratings to customer or we can’t see the next ride. Which makes it unfair to us when a customer lie and give 1 star because they can’t sit in front or don’t want to where a mask. Good rides are barely reported.

  19. I drive in Denver Colorado for Lyft and only for Lyft because I rent a car through them which I pay$350 basically and I get 250 extra miles to personal miles for myself if I go over that I pay$50 every 33 milesNot to add thatAnything that goes wrong with the car I’m responsible for its $1,000 deductible no matter if it’s a chip in the windshield or scratch on the paint whether it’s my fault or not I get stuck paying it I’m responsible for it so the first $350 I make every week goes to the car anything after that is mine this week after working for two monthsI finally made $117 that was prophetAt this rate I can’t afford to keep paying them to work for them.I also want to add that I worked sometimes 12-14 hour days just pay for this carAnd trying to make a profit so that I have some kind of incentive to stay hate working and doing this I have kids. I have bills. Have depleted my savings….They leave me out in the middle of nowhere after I drop somebody off with no rides coming back and I have to be home I have children so I have to use my personal miles whether it be atTo our trip or it’d be a one-hour trip I’m losing money even though they’re sending me on a call that I make money on but there’s no right back for me so I have to use my personal miles so I get charged for them

  20. Jeez, people, are you still unaware that SF taxis have two excellent apps: Flywheel and YoTaxi? Fares haven’t gone up in years, and you can zip through town in the red-carpet lanes, leaving gridlocked Uber and Lyft in your dust. Know that your drivers are who they say they are, each guaranteed to be insured and on file at City Hall. Stop supporting corporations that thrive on exploitation and precarity!

    1. Right on!
      With all due respect to the hard working gig drivers – c’mon people.
      Support our own professional drivers.
      Taxis are an essential urban service and we can’t let avaricious corporations monopolize this form of transport.
      What do you think will happen when there is no more competition for Uber and Lyft? Do you really need an explanation?
      Talk to a cab driver who shelled out for their own medallion.
      That will give you a real dose of legitimate complaints.

  21. Why don’t Lyft and Uber drivers unhappy with their experience, MAKE THIER OWN APP AND SHARE IT WITH EACH OTHER? FIX YOUR OWN LIFE, without dumping on or just complaining about other people !

  22. Drivers and hotel workers,

    Don’t forget who put up the money to destroy millions of jobs in the taxi and hotel industries with his investments in Uber and Airbnb.

    That would be David Sacks who is also funding the Recall effort against our DA, Chesa Boudin.

    Why is he doing that?

    Cause if Chesa will prosecute a cop, he just might prosecute a white collar criminal like Sacks.

    Why do I call David Sacks a criminal?

    Because he enters into agreements with entrepreneurs whose business models are illegal.

    Then, they spend (in the case of Uber/Lyft a quarter of a billion dollars hoodwinking the public to vote to make their enterprise barely legal.

    Then, violate their own rules to screw the drivers.

    Save Chesa!

    Jail David Sacks!!

    Go Giants!

    h.

  23. This needs to happen in FL too with the lack of drivers they are sending us further and further for pick ups with no pay to get there. They hide the location of the ride so sometimes they have you drive 15 to 20 minutes for a $3.00 ride. This is not sustainable by far. I am doing this to earn money but to be honest most of what I earn goes to gas and maintenance expenses. It is truly disheartening.

    1. Stop driving for them is the best way. Without drivers they will be forced to raise rates to attract more drivers. What you described truly isn’t worth your time. In fact, you are LOSING money with each ride.

  24. These “strikes” make me LOL because they’re always midweek and not on a Friday or Saturday when we really make our money. I’ve been an Uber driver over 6 years and thankful so many disgruntled drivers have taken off because I was averaging $30/hour before the pandemic and now over $40/hour with all the bonuses and surges. Keep striking morons!

  25. I am so tired of being gouged by Lyft and Uber. I’ve gone back to using taxis. Lyft and Uber fares have doubled since prop 22 passed in November. It was all a big lie!!

  26. Man they drive need to stop being baby it a job why the drive up for the customers that mean we need pay more money on a trip it better take cab thing ? The drive are self they think about there self ? I remember when the Lyft and uber it was a job to make little money know drive are cry like baby thing some drive are rudy as hell and some smell like they never toke a bath some can’t drive good

  27. The other thing that needs to be addressed, most drivers like me a barred from picking / dropping at the airport for reason I was accused based on Internet issue and no chance for representing my self, it’s first week the account was flagged and second one was barring be no to que at the airport, having been with Uber for over five years.

  28. Uber sent my pay for 3 days to a closed bank account and a card they declined for instant cash out. Ive been messaging support for days and nobody knows where they sent it or can answer any of my questions. They just keep passing me off to the next person and not pay me.

  29. I’m really kind of tired reading stories like this. If all you drivers wanna strike, go for it I’ll take your rides gladly!!! I’ve been ubering for the past 5yrs part time 20 to 25 hrs a week In Indianapolis. With over 13,000 trips. I average $ 700 to 800 a week. When you sign up to drive these apps I don’t remember seeing anything stating you would make x amount of dollars a week. It’s all based on the time you spend behind the wheel. These drivers who hang out at airports. You all are crazy!! That’s bad time management..while you wait for the que to drop, I’ve taken trips..no down time..if you put the time in to learn your city, where the rides our everyday you can kill it..I don’t do nights or weekends. I drive before I go to work..key word work..uber or lyft isn’t a job to raise a family on.. nobody forces you to to be out there driving.

  30. I would support the strike, except I’ve never believed in any app based cab service that’s can also be used to data mine people. So I’ll never install those apps, or use their service. There’s so much issue with those uber/lyft whateves hovering around SF, further adding to the congestion.

    I would support efficient probably transportation, like more MUNI trains running underground and on time. Or restructured BART, that actually does something constructive with the given fundings (*Meaning firing those corrupt pencil pusher that pockets the money without offering any real improvement.)

    Properly managed train service connecting America is the future.

    Amtrak is a joke; slow, inefficient and expensive nonsense.

  31. It’s funny with all this much grief. If I wanted changed, I’d pool together, find another person to build an app and just start an independent company that vows to pay everyone fairly.

    The current model is bogus, the app makers keep the lion share, while the drivers that dies the actual work day in day out get peanuts.

    But blah blah was more convenient is a lousy excuse, stand up for what you value.

  32. Uber/Lyft fares for riders have doubled and tripled in the past couple of years. Now they want even more out of us riders?!? Sorry, I can’t afford you anymore. I recently started using taxis again in SF and find their prices to be way cheaper than Lyft/Uber. I’m also using public transit where possible. Lyft/Uber need to remember why they started: As a real competition to the taxi monopoly in most large cities. Now that they are more expensive, I’ve stopped using them. Riders should vote with their wallets.

  33. Leave them alone. It is perfect the way it is. Stop trying to ruin it. If you don’t like it get a part time job at 711. It is not meant as a full time job

  34. Hi my name it’s Raymundochavez I drive for lift 4 years as a full time 12 hours every day and yes now they’ll check my record and guess wat they kikme out 6 months vacation they toll me I have many gosht rides I call them goshts koos they never pay me I did like 20 rides an a different days i wish I can get help

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