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By Elinor Diamond. A Reminder of what we are missing in Mountain View.  The original Street View was withdrawn by the artist.

By Elinor Diamond. A Reminder of what we are missing in Mountain View. The original Street View was withdrawn by the artist.

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Updated: Feb. 8, 2014

Elinor Diamond, the artist who won the Mission Local contest to turn the tech bus into a vehicle for art, has asked that we replace the Google Street View she used in her original entry with a different Street View.

The Street View of the original art included part of storefront painted by Jet Martinez, an artist who did not want to be part of the contest. It also included the opening to Clarion Alley where some other artists opposed to the tech buses and the contest have art. The artist and the judges were unaware that the storefront was a Martinez work.

Although Diamond’s image had been up on the site for more than two months, once it won, it triggered a barrage of comments from these artists and others — raising questions of who owned the image, art and feelings toward the Google buses.

While Mission Local was happy to stand by Diamond’s original work, it is her work and the decision to replace it is hers to make.

She wrote in an email, “I wrote to Rigo and Jet personally because we know a lot of the same people and I couldn’t handle the venom behind so many of the comments….I told them that I would send over another mock-up to ML of the same concept using different screenshots and request that ML pull the original. After all it was the concept that won, so I guess we can see if it has legs with other imagery…And another using a street-view of Mountain View. Now we can all see what we’re missing out on.”

Diamond is right, the concept was most important. The Street Views possible are endless. Once again, her entry shows a sense of humor, an element reflected in one of her original images and also in those from many others.

Original

The entries are in, the judges have spoken and Mission Local will award the $500 prize in its unofficial contest to bedazzle the tech buses to Elinor Diamond for a design that wraps the shuttle in an image from Google’s Street View.

Diamond, a Mission resident who we have not yet spoken to, chose an image that includes the Valencia Street entrance of Clarion Alley and the pink Community Thrift Store. In the end, Diamond’s design appealed to us on multiple layers and it was the simplicity of the idea and the complex response that put it over the top.

It brings “the virtual world to the street,” said Andrea Valencia, our translator and a Mission resident.  “The image blends the bus in with the street giving them the camouflage the tech community seems to want. I also like to think of it as a moving mirror of our urban landscape.”

Mark Rabine, a contributor, my husband, and a Mission resident for more than 30 years, added, that in an age of ambiguity “using the Google Earth image conceptually raises both light and dark aspects of digital technology.”

Others liked the layered sense of the entry, but for a different reason. The street view Diamond chose underscores art and giving — both have deep roots in the Mission.

Using a Google street view also offered a simple solution to wrapping a bus in the iconography of any neighborhood. It was an idea that other entries used including one by Jon Voss, called Time Travel. It too was popular along with Let It Leak by Ulrika Andersson, Cattle Car by David Lawrence, and Wheels by Claudia Escobar, a former videographer for Mission Local who now works on contract at Yahoo.

We launched the contest last fall after my return from a year-long break from the Mission. As I told a local news site at the time, I was surprised to see how many buses were going through the neighborhood.  The lack of any identifying markers made them oddly anonymous while their size made them impossible to hide. The white frames of many reminded me of unpainted canvases.

As long as the buses are around, it seemed like a good idea to make them and their passengers less separate from the community. I also thought the contest might encourage some of the companies that run the shuttles to hire local artists to do the work. At least one has agreed to. Genentech called in November to say that it would select one of the entries to wrap one of its buses this year. What others will do is anyone’s guess, but we will make an effort to sell them on our winner.

Of the more than four-dozen entries that we received, at least 15 had a critical message, sometimes subtle, sometimes blunt and often with humor. At least four, including Let It Leak played on the theme of surveillance.

In addition to the front-runners, judges also flagged several of Stephanie Syjuco’s designs — including Public Comfort and Raft of the Medussa.

As in Syjuco’s designs, the element of humor stood out in many of the entries — from Mike Esplin’s Lyft to My Other Car by Ifton Schlinger and Erno Raitanen’s Aw Snap, Something Went Wrong. Mike O’Connell’s Googling, with a Craigslist view of apartment prices, was perhaps the most direct in capturing one element of tech’s impact.

The 11 judges included myself, Mark Rabine (who submitted “George Orwell” but was not allowed to vote for it) and George Lipp, who are contributors, Ana Aguilar, who works in outreach, Rigoberto Hernandez and Erica Hellerstein who are reporters, Hélène Goupil, an editor, Andrea Valencia, who is our translator, Rohan Saltry, a computer science student at UC Berkeley who also works with Mission Local, Amanda Martinez, a former videographer and designer for Mission Local who works at NBC in New York, and Mads Hallas Bjerg, a 29-year-old visiting tech entrepreneur and philosophy student from Denmark. All but four have lived in the Mission.

Thank you to all who submitted work.

263 Comments

  1. phil ross

    Many of the people making comments here (myself included) have pointed out that there are very specific copyrights that would be infringed upon if these artworks are used on the bus. These are not debatable, they are the law. Is ML willing to argue against these laws according to their own interpretation? If so, and if CAMP defends the rights they have, this will be decided by a judge, jury or other form of legal arbitrage. There are many issues that are being bundled into this argument, but I will point out again that it is this particular aspect of an artist’s rights being violated by a local business (ML) that have made many in the artistic community take notice of these actions.

    • So what…. THE ELLIS ACT is the law and 90% of people in this town want to break that law…

    • John

      Phil, that issue only becomes material if the design is employed and used. At this point it is just a contest, concept and hypothetical issue.

      I do not agree with your legal analysis but that doesn’t matter so much as your remarks are premature. The legality or not of these designs is something to be worked out between the corporations (if they wish to use this design) and the artist.

      Put another way – none of your beeswax.

      • Mike

        Jet has already stated:

        “I think you should retract this particular image and swap it for something that is not someone’s intellectual property and yet reflects the streets iof sf. I think this would be a good solution. I must repeat I Do not want my art to be involved in this project. I thought I was cool with mission local but I think that in this particular case you are steering it off course and not really looking out for the little people you claim to report about I would also like you to cease using images I have previously given you permission to use. Trust lost.”

        John,

        You apparently know nothing about copyright laws, and don’t bother to research it and speak proudly from a place of willful-ignorance. I’ve already given a link up above to copyright law regarding street art/murals.

        Here’s a link to copyright law on the web.

        Copyright on the Web
        Part 1: Being on the Web Doesn’t Make it Public Domain – Protect Your Rights
        http://webdesign.about.com/od/copyright/a/aa081700a.htm

        “Copyright on the web seems to be a difficult concept for some people to understand. But it’s really simple: If you did not write or create the article, graphic, or data that you found, then you need permission from the owner before you can copy it. Remember, when you use someone’s graphic, HTML, or text without permission, you are stealing, and they can take action against you.”

        • John

          I don’t care what Jet thinks or wants. He stuck his art in a public place and now it’s part of the scene there.

          But since this is just a contest anyway, it’s moot. He needs to get off his high horse and maybe go out and spend some of the thousands he got from Facebook on having some fun.

          • Mike

            So you ignored this link?

            Yes, real artists paint on buildings and yes those artists own the copyright in the art.
            https://pdxstreetart.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/murals-art-copyright-and-vara/

          • John

            Two problems with Jet’s comments:

            1) He admits he originally gave permission to use his art. Now he wants to retrospectively change the deal and, quite rightly, he is being slapped down.

            2) He claims that ML exists for the “little people”. I see nothing in ML’s mission statement that it does anything other than serve all Mission residents, including those who work for corporations, love the shuttles, want more gentrification and probably find Jet to be egotistical here.

          • Mike

            A responsible website would immediately remove his artwork upon his request, even if he had previously given expressed written permission. I respect the request of the artist.

            The topic here—which seems a struggle for you to stay on—is copyright law and infringement. And he’s asked for that image at the top of this page to be removed, and it’s still there.

        • Mike

          I meant to add this…

          Ms. Chávez continues to ignore the specific request by the artist to take down the image at the top of this page (on that tech shuttle).

          In remedial language: Ms. Chávez does not have copyright permission from the artist to publish that image of his work on this site.

          • phil ross

            John, please read more carefully:
            “that would be infringed upon if these artworks are used”
            I would also suggest you read up a bit more on the law.

  2. Jo

    mike and phil,

    I agree, and while you’re at it — sue the beastie boys, M&M & all those other evil samplers who’ve ruined music as we know it

    BTW: did Warhol get the rights from the Cambell’s Soup company? sue him too!!

    • Mike

      I get your point, but I would point out that copyright laws have become much, much stricter in recent years than what you’re talking about.

      In my opinion, the copyright laws of today are ridiculously extreme, depending upon the context. But they are what they are. In this context, the artist should be respected. Again, he’s asked that the image at the top of the page be removed. Be adult about it. and take it down. Honor his request.

      • phil ross

        Thank you for muddying this by bringing up the Beastie Boys and Ellis Act, but that is not the issue being discussed here. You can learn about the rights of artists in regards to the use of appropriated imagery here if you would like to know more about the legal precedent that give rise to this.
        http://www.law.harvard.edu/faculty/martin/art_law/image_rights.htm

        • Antonio Jones

          Phil Ross is correct. Let’s not muddy the issue. This is a clear case of fair use under federal copyright law. Anyone who says different is selling you something.

          • Mike

            “Fair Use

            Many people talk about fair use as if that makes it okay to copy someone else’s work. However, if someone takes you to court over a copyright issue, you have to admit to the infringement, and then claim it is “fair use.” The judge then makes a decision based upon the arguments. In other words, the first thing you do when you claim fair use is admit that you stole the content.

            If you are doing a parody, commentary, or educational information you may be able to claim fair use. However, fair use is nearly always a short excerpt from an article and it is usually attributed to the source. Also, if your use of the excerpt harms the commercial value of the work (along the lines of if they read your article they won’t need to read the original), then your claim of fair use may be nullified. In this sense, if you copy an image to your website this cannot be fair use, as there is no reason for your viewers to go to the owner’s site to see the image.

            When using someone else’s graphics or text on your web page, I would recommend getting permission. Like I said before, if you are sued for copyright violation, to claim fair use you must admit to the infringement, and then hope that the judge or jury agrees with your arguments. It’s faster and safer to just ask permission. And if you’re really only using a small portion, most people will be happy to grant you permission.”

            http://webdesign.about.com/od/copyright/a/aa081700a.htm

          • Mike

            Apparently, you didn’t read what Phil Ross wrote up the page:

            “Many of the people making comments here (myself included) have pointed out that there are very specific copyrights that would be infringed upon if these artworks are used on the bus. These are not debatable, they are the law. Is ML willing to argue against these laws according to their own interpretation? If so, and if CAMP defends the rights they have, this will be decided by a judge, jury or other form of legal arbitrage. There are many issues that are being bundled into this argument, but I will point out again that it is this particular aspect of an artist’s rights being violated by a local business (ML) that have made many in the artistic community take notice of these actions.”

            Where did you get that he said this is a clear case of Fair Use under federal copyright law?

      • Just paint it over with some obscene graffiti….

  3. ian pollock

    Considering the amount of objection you received from the artists involved in the clarion mural project, i think you have done the neighborhood a disservice and delivered a serious slap in the face to those involved.
    disappointing

  4. Just a thought, some car is going to drive up that alley and tear the bus in two……

    • Mike

      I doubt that. Anyone with an operative brain can see that there are 3 big wheels at the bottom of that bus and space below it meaning it’s up off the street. I suspect most people wouldn’t even see the bus as they’re too busy hunched over squinting at that gadget in their hand, typing with their thumbs and continuing in their gadget addiction, which continues to help the tech-surveillance industry.

  5. I really like the one that won the contest. I lived in Clarion Alley years back and the alley is dedicated to Juanita Rieloff, my aunt.

    I agree that the buses would look a lot more attractive if they have the work good artists on them… anything that brings art is good for the spirit.

    Fortunately, the judges have a good eye!

  6. Jo

    Mike,

    If our “copyright laws have become much, much stricter in recent years” as you say — then i guess i’d ask you whether you think that’s a good thing? if warhol had been sued by cambell soup, would that have been better for the greater good?

    Or is the world actually a richer place for this iconic art piece: http://links.laughingsquid.com/post/30590637130/campbells-releases-soup-cans-featuring-andy

    • Mike

      I took the time to read the complete e-mail communications between Ms Chávez and Rigo 23, John Jota Leaños, Isis Rodríguez, and Jet Martínez (link below).

      I really appreciated all of the responses from the artists. Right-on! I agree with you all. Gracias.

      In the e-mail exchange, Ms Chávez, however, comes off as completely clueless as to what is going on here and the many problems with it. It’s as if she lives in her own little world. She wrote, “I don’t know. Why not give it a try??”

      Well, they didn’t want to “give it a try” because they have principles that they stand by.
      Meanwhile, some other people stand for nothing but corporate/tech intere$t$.

      Ms Chávez, even wrote this, “We are trying to get Facebook and the others to join in…..if done right, this could be a plus about having tech in the Mission.”

      Why would you be trying to get data-mining Facebook involved? Have you never read anything about all the problems with that corporation?

      So all this tells me that she is for tech en el Distrito de la Misión y for the continued gentrification/evictions.

      I now see MissionLocal very differently than I did a week ago. and not at all in a positive way.

      http://meganwilson.com/sub/2014/02

      • Mike

        Comments don’t seem to be posting in the correct place.
        My comment on February 8, 2014 at 5:15 am was not in response to Jo, yet that’s where it landed.

      • reynaoro

        RE “Why would you be trying to get data-mining Facebook involved? Have you never read anything about all the problems with that corporation?”

        Seriously? I’m sure you know the poster person for this campaigm, Jet Martinez, did a mural for Facebook. Is it fair to assume that you don’t have a problem with FB when artist’s get some of the money made from our data? And why aren’t any of the folks in the artisits’s camp addressing the hypocrisy that this issue appears to present? The silence is damning.

        I now see the artist’s in the Mission in a very different way. You pretend to be about the community but you’re really just a bunch of bullies out for yourselves.

        http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/technology/jet-martinez-is-facebooks-first-artist-in-residence.html

        • Mike

          “Is it fair to assume that you don’t have a problem with FB when artist’s get some of the money made from our data?”

          NO, it is not at all fair to assume that, even though it seems that you did, erroneously so. I do indeed have a problem with that. I’m consistent, based on my principles.

          And if you had read the e-mail exchange I gave the link to, you would have read that Jet Martínez specifically said he was “Guilty” since he has worked with the tech industry in the past.

          You appear to be smearing an entire group of artists because of the actions of ONE person based on the past. That doesn’t seem very wise or intelligent to me.

          • John

            So, Mike, Jet was for tech before he was against tech? Very convenient.

            Here’s another idea. Why don’t you stick to painting art and not claim to be an expert in technology, politics, social sciences, transit systems and so on?

            We won’t lecture you on brushstrokes if you don’t try and lecture us on commuting options. Fair?

          • Mike

            @John

            You wrote:

            “Why don’t you stick to painting art…”

            I don’t paint art, John. I’m not a painting artist. I have no idea where you pulled that from. My point was solely about copyright law as regards to murals/street art.

          • John

            Mike, my point was rather that I feel the artists here are getting into areas of competence that are not related to their core skills and abilities.

  7. Creative Commons

    Oh my god. Now the image on ML is different, but the original has spread all over the internet. Clarion Alley and Jet Martinez in particular are more famous than ever, just as they intended all along, thanks to the Internet and social media tools whose architects they so despise. What a joke. The height of hypocrisy. You should all be ashamed.

  8. amos gregory

    I do not agree that it is her work…images of murals are copyrighted…public can photograph for personal use but any repurposing of the image is protected by copyright. We do not like the fact that mission local is not reporting the legal implications of using repurposed work. I also do not think that you are representing the community of the mission district…u are run out of Berkeley…please JUST GO AWAY…people of the mission…WE are here to stay…pray for day…when our papers don’t pander to those that harm us by using our images to placate us…worst community involvement ever…please leave the Mission…Please leave the Mission….Please leave the Mission….SOS…my people are under distress…

    • John

      My people? Really? It’s all about people like you but not about anyone different from you?

      Some of us prefer diversity.

      • landline

        A racist accusing someone else of racism. Priceless.

        Our community shouldn’t support Filipinos because they aren’t like us. Shame on Rainbow, right John?

        Maybe you can share your analysis of the relationships between the spellings of last names and political views. In Spanish? Tagalog?

        • John

          You’ve never heard me speak of “my people”. That is blatant racism.

          My point about the Rainbow deal was only that they were claiming it was a community gesture. It was. It was just a community in another continent.

      • Kaliman

        John – you’ve proven yourself to be a racist troll through many of your incendiary commentary.

        Go away troll.

        • John

          Your allegations are false and you know it. Personal attacks on me stiffen my resolve to be here and drive out bigotry and prejudice like yours.

          So your cheap snide game is self-defeating.

          The use of term “my people” is disgusting.

          • landline

            Self-deluded pot kettle black. Does the health insurance you brag about cover mental health services?

          • John

            More personal attacks. Such bigotry is vile.

          • landline

            The disadvantage to writing tens of comments daily is that they provide clear evidence of your racism and other irrational beliefs.

          • John

            So your point is that i make it easy for you to find “evidence” and yet you cannot cite any?

          • landline

            Here are just a few recent ones, smart guy. I use the term ironically because your comments show otherwise.

            John
            February 7, 2014 at 8:47 am

            “Mary, When WalMart gave massive help during the floods in the south, did you praise them?

            Because that actually was in their community, and the Filipines are not in ours.

            Was there really nothing local to the Mission that Rainbow could help with?”

            John
            February 6, 2014 at 7:33 am

            “If you look at the names on the ML masthead, five of the eleven are Hispanic names (Chavez, Hernandez, Valencia, Franco and Sanchez).

            I agree it’s entirely reasonable that ML should take a race-neutral stance on topics but it appears the odds are stacked against it.”

            That’s more effort than you are worth.

          • John

            OK, so there’s absolutely no racism at all?

            If you think that is racism, you really need to get out more.

      • Mike

        “Some of us prefer diversity.”

        From what I’ve read of your comments, you’re not part of the “some.” In reality your statement is called newspeak. The conservatives/right-wing are now using all sorts of newspeak, such as the word “diversity” to disguise their pro-gentrification/pro-tech agenda Only when it comes to sanitizing an area and bringing mostly young white people (techies) into an area are you suddenly for so-called “diversity.” It’s newspeak. It’s most transparent how corporate shills and hacks (a.k.a. trolls for the real estate and tech industry) toss out words like “diversity,” when they mean the exact opposite. It’s as phony as the “CIVIL sidewalks” newspeak BS used during the sit-lie campaign.

        Very transparent. You’re fooling no one.

        • John

          Wrong, Mike. If an area with no whites in it then receives an influx of whites, it necessarily becomes more diverse.

          When that trend over-reaches, one can argue that it starts to lose diversity, but that is nowhere near the case in the Mission yet or in the forseeable future.

          The people who really misuse the word “diversity” for their own ends are the so-called “progressives”. What they really mean by “diversity” is no whites allowed.

    • Mike

      “I also do not think that you are representing the community of the mission district…u are run out of Berkeley…”

      Yeah, I find that odd too. When I first came to this site, I had (wrongly) assumed it was based en el Distrito de la Misión de San Francisco. Wouldn’t you think that’s where it would be?
      Then there’s the non-corporate look and logo.

      But then I read: “U.C. Berkeley’s Graduate School of Journalism.”

      What? What does that have to do with el Distrito de la Misión? Shouldn’t you be writing about Berkeley instead?

      I now see this site very differently: A corporate site—but pretending to be non-corporate and for Latinos/Hispanos/Mexicanos/Chicanos et al—and pro-tech and pro-gentrification. In other words, the complete opposite of what I had thought it was.

      • Mike

        I also meant to say this:

        I’ve been on other sites where the resident trolls hate the site they’re trolling on, and they troll the site day and night.

        This site is different in that regard. I would think that this site would greatly appreciate the efforts of resident corporatist troll, John (he’s the most odious and bullying one I’ve seen here). He dutifully serves as a corporate hack and shill for the real estate, tech-surveillance industries and continued gentrification with his newspeak repertoire. He rushes to defend this site and Lydia Chávez and anything she does, it seems.

        I would think she would greatly appreciate his presence here. A site that comes with their own corporatist cheerleader(s).

        • John

          Not true. I have criticizing the ML staff a number of times for over-emphasizing pieces on the tech shuttles and gentrification as if the Mission community held one unified opposition to those, when in fact the truth is much more diverse, nuanced and balanced.

          I do think ML did an excellent job on this contest.

          I am happy to commend or criticize as relevant. You’ll see no knee-jerk toadying from me.

      • John

        Mike, why do you think this site should be for Hispanics?

        I’m not saying it should be against them, but I am saying that there are many races in the Mission, and no one race here is more important than another.

        ML exists for all Mission residents, including the ones you apparently do not like.

        Finally, I see no problem with people outside the Mission writing about it. In fact, it’s good to have an outside view. That said, I believe that Lydia has said that she lives in the Mission.

  9. Blythe

    Did this article conveniently “forget” to also mention that all the organizers for CAMP were included in an email chain with Mission Local’s editor in chief as the contest? An email thread in which they several times voiced their dissent against this contest as a whole? Making this sucker instigate when it slams CAMP for but dissenting until the winner was announced? Interesting. This is some “responsible journalism” for sure… Sling more mud. It suits you Mission Local.

  10. Big Thank you Elinor Diamond for withdrawing her image of Clarion Alley Mural Project (CAMP) and Community Thrift and replacing it with a new one!

    It’s truly unfortunate that Mission Local put her in this position to begin with – knowing that three of the artists (myself, Rigo 23, and Jet Martinez) who are core organizers of Clarion Alley Mural Project (and Jet painted the Community Thrift facade) were so strongly against the contest and its underlying implications with regard to creating a divisive corporate transit system. It would have been more responsible on ML’s part to at least let Elinor know the position of the artists and that her design was selected for its concept, therefore another image would also be acceptable. While I don’t support these private shuttles and the class caste system they create, I do appreciate Elinor’s decision to provide a new image.

    And I want to respond to Lydia’s point in this article that the image of the bus was up for two months and no one called it out until it was announced as the winner – Lydia, that’s because we weren’t reading your publication or following the contest … until it was brought to our attention.

    Also there has been a lot of discussion around copyright with regard to this particular incident. I want to clarify that CAMP has never suggested copyright infringement or that we would take legal action in this case. However, we do register our murals with the U.S. Copyright Office, we do have an attorney, and we do take action when we feel a case has the merit to do so.

    Finally, as I’ve previously noted, the issue in this case is one of respect. CAMP’s artists have collectively donated tens of thousands of hours of volunteer time over the past 21 years – it’s truly been a labor of love. We do pay our artists a small stipend for materials when we can, but it in no way matches the amount of time and energy that folks give. The project did not start as a magnet for tourists or as an icon for San Francisco; it began as a project to build community with the neighbors on the alley and to help showcase the works of local artists. We do love sharing our work with folks and we have many great encounters with locals and visitors daily. We are always happy to share our work – it’s FREE – but we have drawn the line for commercial purposes … PLEASE contact us for written permission … and if we do agree, please give the artists and CAMP credit. One of the things that has made Clarion Alley a unique space is that we’ve been going strong with integrity for over 21 years as a volunteer-run space without commercial ties. The few times that we have agreed to allow commercial projects to film on the alley, we’ve gone through a long process of ensuring compensation and credit to the artists & CAMP. And if we say “NO” please RESPECT our wishes.

    • John

      Megan, you are correct that Elinor has done a number of people a favor here, especially as neither she nor ML were under any obligation to. Elinor is perhaps the only person here who comes out of this debate with an elevated reputation.

      Also, I agree with your analysis that this is not fundamentally a legal matter at all. It’s more about whether an artist can and should change his mind when he has previously granted approval when he finds out that the entry has won a contest. That’s why I believe that ML were correct to stand firm, unless Elinor consented of course.

      A couple of niggles, however. Jet cannot credibly cite “divisive corporations” as a reason not to rubber stamp the use of the partial image of his work when he has done a commission for a divisive corporation. We are entitled to such consent not being granted capriciously or inconsistently.

      Second, while Jet’s politics is a valid reason for him not wishing to enter a contest, it should not be a factor in him withholding his permission when he is otherwise happy to grant it.

      By analogy, my barber still cuts my hair even though he disagrees with my politics. And I don’t get refused service in Mission establishment just because the host has different politics from me. We should be keeping politics, religion etc. out of business.

      Finally, you guys have gotten a lot of publicity out of this. I’d never heard of you guys before, nor ever wandered down Clarion Avenue. I might do that now. I suspect the art is a little gaudy and primitive for my taste, but I’ll try anything once. Point being, you finished ahead.

      • Jet agreed to be an artist-in-residence at Facebook, and I assume he was well paid.

        He said in the email exchange he did not want to be part of the contest and would not have been paid any of the $500 prize.

        That you haven’t heard of or walked down Clarion Alley shows how disconnected from the culture of San Francisco you are.

        Have you at least heard of/walked through Balmy Alley? There are many streets and alleys in San Francisco with art. The Lilac Mural Project is another.

        Just because you wouldn’t read comments (though actually you do) doesn’t mean Lydia Chavez isn’t.

        • John

          I never said I hadn’t heard of Clarion Alley. I said I had not walked along it. It’s always looked kinda sketchy.

          There’s a lot more to the culture of the Mission than the things you personally like and we respect diversity here, right?

          I have walked down Balmy St. It’s not a style of art I like but I can see why some others so.

          My comment about Lydia not reading all these posts was that she had already said that she has made her decision and that she is happy for us to continue the debate. Sounds to me like she is looking ahead.

        • tiritiritran tran tran

          Oh no!!! I live on Balmy Alley and I really do not want this self righteous bkkkks John walking around, unless he has time (he does!) and its willing to experience some real diversity… John, diversity is much more than just co-existing… come by my house and let me show you what diversity is… I choose dealing with you (you your community, your culture, your language, etc!) so it’
          s you come deal with us. Seriously, leave the bar stool and your pabs, and fxxxxing interact with your neighbors!

    • Reality Check

      If you and the other CAMP artists are seeking respect, you should really treat others the way you would like to be treated. Using social media to say that the editor of Mission Local “sucks” is extremely disrespectful and immature, and will only alienate you and your work. And some of the comments by the CAMP artists on this thread and in the initial email exchange are also extremely disrespectful. If you are trying to “build community” with your murals, the last thing you should do is publicly disrespect someone who is working very hard to make sure that the community you paint in is reported on. You should check out the publication sometime and read about what’s going on in the community you hope to build.

      • Mike

        “Using social media to say that the editor of Mission Local “sucks” is extremely disrespectful and immature, and will only alienate you and your work.”

        Megan is entitled to her opinion, just as you are. You just don’t like her opinion. Of course if you agreed with Megan you’d have written “What a very respectful and mature comment to make, I agree with you and thank you.”

        It really depends upon who serves as a shill and hack for whom, and your comment answers that.

        • John

          No, she was just being abusive and you are seeking to rationalize that.

          I suspect Lydia has long since stopped reading this sanctimonious nonsense about the wounded pride of sensitive artists. So all the abuse really achieved was to lose you sympathy and support.

          I get that artists can be emotionally volatile and all, but I am concerned about how tone deaf to criticism your little coterie has been on this matter.

          Here’s some advice. Give it a rest and move on.

          • Mike

            @John

            Again, you’ve wrongly assumed that I’m an artist or one of the artists here. I’m not. I don’t paint art. I support the artists involved. As I wrote in another comment, my point was about copyright law (see those comments/links to copyright articles).

          • John

            Mike, Megan already said that a legal remedy is not appropriate there so your claim that copyright law is relevant here is immaterial even if it applies, which I personally doubt in a case like this.

  11. Clarion Alley is named after my aunt, Juanita Rieloff–for her support to CAMP during its early days.

    In her honor, her name is on the lower right hand side of Clarion Alley’s Valencia entrance, on the Community Thrift wall. To be perfectly honest, out of respect to her, I would like to see her name displayed a bit more “artistically” than it has been up to now.

    I assure you, knowing my aunt and her support for the arts, I think she would have been on Mission Local’s side–because it is helping artists get work and recognition.

    In fact, the first thing I thought when I saw the huge Google buses was… “they should be painted over with work from local artists.”

    One thing you can say for the Mission… the political banners have many colors… and they are based on “only in San Francisco” issues.

    Finally, Lydia Chavez is an amazing woman that has contributed a great deal to this community. She has been very supportive of Chile Lindo over the years. But, most importantly, she is giving journalists an opportunity to grow professionally. I know Mission Local’s work and it is first rate. Also, I know many self-serving artists… (don’t get me started on that one!)

    Activists, save your energy… there’s lots of work to do, and an artists’ contest is not where you’re most needed.

    Saludos,
    Paula Tejeda
    Chile Lindo

    • Robert

      That certainly cut through all the self-righteous indignation. Well said…I hope the artists who feel their integrity has been maligned do right by your forward thinking Aunt.

  12. Robert

    That certainly cut through all the self-righteous indignation. Well said…I hope the artists who feel their integrity has been maligned do right by your forward thinking Aunt.

  13. Jerry

    The Nazi German Theresienstadt concentration camp, called “the Paradise Ghetto” in World War II, was designed as a concentration camp that could be shown to the Red Cross, but was really a Potemkin village: attractive at first, but deceptive and ultimately lethal, with high death rates from malnutrition and contagious diseases. It ultimately served as a way-station to Auschwitz-Birkenau.

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