Comments on: ICE 101: Immigration on the Legal Front Line http://missionlocal.org/2009/03/ice-101/ News From San Francisco's Mission District Thu, 09 Sep 2010 05:55:52 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: The Immigrant Community Speaks Up | Mission Loc@l http://missionlocal.org/2009/03/ice-101/comment-page-1/#comment-5588 The Immigrant Community Speaks Up | Mission Loc@l Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:38:57 +0000 http://missionlocal.org/?p=9822#comment-5588 [...] The sanctuary city policy is supposed to mean that law enforcement and city departments not  assist federal authorities in enforcement of federal immigration laws. That however, changed in the fall when the city changed its policy on juveniles and began informing immigration officials when police arrest an undocumented juvenile. Police have also been present at ICE raids as reported earlier in Mission Loc@l. [...] [...] The sanctuary city policy is supposed to mean that law enforcement and city departments not  assist federal authorities in enforcement of federal immigration laws. That however, changed in the fall when the city changed its policy on juveniles and began informing immigration officials when police arrest an undocumented juvenile. Police have also been present at ICE raids as reported earlier in Mission Loc@l. [...]

]]> By: migration laws http://missionlocal.org/2009/03/ice-101/comment-page-1/#comment-4265 migration laws Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:06:03 +0000 http://missionlocal.org/?p=9822#comment-4265 Immigration is a modern phenomenon. It owes its existence to the needs of an ever more intensely integrated global capitalist economy to have people move around for the purpose of work, for reproduction of labor power (studies, particularly higher and more specialized forms of knowledge) or political asylum across the borders of an increasingly obsolete inter-state system. Immigrants are people who obtain legal status marked, at a minimum, by some form of residence permit that regulates the terms of their employment (see also expatriates). Some, but by no means all, foreign workers and expatriates seek and reach citizenship in the state where they work. Immigrants are different from the undocumented labor force in that the latter does not have legal status in the country in which s/he works. (There can be a host of complex reasons for lack of legal status: lack of interest on part of the worker, the state's refusal to grant such permits to categories of foreign workers, institutional racism, etc.) Not all undocumented workers are, strictly speaking, illegal: Because of the complex history of global migrations, several powerful states, such as the United States, Canada, etc. have had legal systems in which work without explicit consent of the state has fallen through legal "cracks." Both immigrants and undocumented workers differ from tourists as the latter do not engage in income earning activities in the countries they visit, so their economic impact is restricted mainly to consumption and environmental consequences. Seasonal labor migration is often treated in the press and in political rhetoric as a form of immigration. Immigration is a modern phenomenon. It owes its existence to the needs of an ever more intensely integrated global capitalist economy to have people move around for the purpose of work, for reproduction of labor power (studies, particularly higher and more specialized forms of knowledge) or political asylum across the borders of an increasingly obsolete inter-state system. Immigrants are people who obtain legal status marked, at a minimum, by some form of residence permit that regulates the terms of their employment (see also expatriates). Some, but by no means all, foreign workers and expatriates seek and reach citizenship in the state where they work. Immigrants are different from the undocumented labor force in that the latter does not have legal status in the country in which s/he works. (There can be a host of complex reasons for lack of legal status: lack of interest on part of the worker, the state’s refusal to grant such permits to categories of foreign workers, institutional racism, etc.) Not all undocumented workers are, strictly speaking, illegal: Because of the complex history of global migrations, several powerful states, such as the United States, Canada, etc. have had legal systems in which work without explicit consent of the state has fallen through legal “cracks.” Both immigrants and undocumented workers differ from tourists as the latter do not engage in income earning activities in the countries they visit, so their economic impact is restricted mainly to consumption and environmental consequences. Seasonal labor migration is often treated in the press and in political rhetoric as a form of immigration.

]]> By: curious http://missionlocal.org/2009/03/ice-101/comment-page-1/#comment-4234 curious Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:15:57 +0000 http://missionlocal.org/?p=9822#comment-4234 so.... The idea here is: even though these folks - many of them good people - are in the United States illegally, they shouldn't be subject to the letter of that law? Isn't that why there are laws and rules? So everyone can be treated equally? And if people do not operate within those laws and rules - for example, the ones that stipulate when, for how long, and under what contitions a person with citizenship from another country may live, work or earn money in the United States - they shouldn't be subject to penalty? If the ICE agents are truly violating someones HUMAN rights - with violence or radically unfair treatment - that's bad and should be dealt with sharply. But CIVIL rights? Do people - even good people - who are breaking the law, have CIVIL rights? to get a pass on the laws themselves? so….

The idea here is: even though these folks – many of them good people – are in the United States illegally, they shouldn’t be subject to the letter of that law?

Isn’t that why there are laws and rules? So everyone can be treated equally?

And if people do not operate within those laws and rules – for example, the ones that stipulate when, for how long, and under what contitions a person with citizenship from another country may live, work or earn money in the United States – they shouldn’t be subject to penalty?

If the ICE agents are truly violating someones HUMAN rights – with violence or radically unfair treatment – that’s bad and should be dealt with sharply.

But CIVIL rights? Do people – even good people – who are breaking the law, have CIVIL rights? to get a pass on the laws themselves?

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